
Some of my workmates and I had a discussion yesterday about the leftists in Philadelphia and their actions and statements on their constituents personal gun rights, moved me to come home and, again, assure myself why the 2ndA even exists, and why it is very important for Americans to understand their history. Our commenting on "assault rifles" really peaked my interest and the question of why one would ever "need" such a thing.
Some history:
"The Battles of Lexington and Concord were the first military engagements of the American Revolutionary War. They were fought on April 19, 1775, in Middlesex County, Province of Massachusetts Bay, within the towns of Lexington, Concord, Lincoln, Menotomy (present-day Arlington), and Cambridge, near Boston. The battles marked the outbreak of open armed conflict between the Kingdom of Great Britain and its thirteen colonies in the mainland of British North America.
About 700 British Army regulars, under Lieutenant Colonel Francis Smith, were ordered to capture and destroy military supplies that were reportedly stored by the Massachusetts militia at Concord. Dr. Joseph Warren alerted the colonists of this. The Patriot colonists had received intelligence weeks before the expedition which warned of an impending British search, and had moved much, but not all, of the supplies to safety. They had also received details about British plans on the night before the battle, and information was rapidly supplied to the militia." -->
Notice the reason why the Brits were there,"were ordered to capture and destroy military supplies that were reportedly stored by the Massachusetts militia at Concord". They were there to take rifles that were both of military value and not, they were there to take ammunition, and they were there to take anything of military value that could be used by the "militia"(read:anyone able to pick up a firearm and defend themselves from the tyrannical forces of a tyrannical King)in order to rend the colonists defenseless.
In Philadelphia, is this not what the City gov wants to do to its people? Gather up any weapons they deem unnecessary for the people to have? Would not a rapid fire easy handling carbine of medium power fit the need of those(the militia)needing a weapon in their own defense from tyrannical forces? Do not the police forces of Philadelphia have such weapons in their arsenals? Sure. And why? Self preservation in case they are confronted by armed criminals, correct? So, why is the life of someone in possession of a badge more valuable than my own? Or yours? Or our families? Unless you have your own bodyguard(s), as those in gov who try to force restrictive, illegal gun laws on their citizens do, I would suggest armament of this type fits the bill. It did in the 1700's, it does now. The weapons of that day were a reflection of what the military of England carried into Lexington, the AR15 or SKS of the private citizen today reflects what a tyrannical force would carry into any American hometown.
Also, the state constitution of Pennsylvania and the Constitution of the United States both state that the people of both great entities will never have there firearm rights infringed upon. Lets not forget that.
For those who would say that we have nothing to worry about from our own gov, I would say we only have to look back at the roving heavily armed police and other security apparatus during the aftermath of Katrina gathering up firearms from the public to understand what the 2ndA means to the survival of freedom.
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whew. since replying to your reply on my posts would end up with a ten foot long extravaganza, i will take one of your re-replies and show you where you are wrong.
His words:"Ah, but you are missing the point. While I do not claim that the RTBA does not exist and citizens should not have that right, I do question what possible good can it come to for civilians to have the right to semi-automatic assault rifle, a fully automatic uzi, or a grenade launcher for that matter. For what, hunting and personal protection? I think not. So while, I can agree that the RTBA exists, I cannot in good conscience agree that that right cannot or should not be abridged in today's modern society. The United States has a professional all volunteer military and no longer a civilian militia. Therefore, I highly question the need for civilians to have the right to own and use this class of weapons. Show me why you need that right." -------
My refute:
""Ah, but you are missing the point."- i believe you had no point expressed here. you threw out the term semi auto, which is just an action type. whether single shot or 5 or 10 or 30. i do not understand why you point out this type of weapon. oh well.
His words:
"While I do not claim that the RTBA does not exist and citizens should not have that right, I do question what possible good can it come to for civilians to have the right to semi-automatic assault rifle, a fully automatic uzi, or a grenade launcher for that matter." -------
My refute of his misleading comment:
OK. grenade launcher. we have to first get our classifications straight here. anything over 20mm is considered ordnance. think cannon. big time boomboom stuff. what we speak of with the 2ndA is in terms of small arms, way different than ordnance, so we can eliminate that part of your comment.
UZI. say oooohzzzeee, sounds ominous don't it? this is a sub machine gun, fully automatic. now in most states a person can own a fully automatic weapon. but they are very expensive, the attrition on the weapon is very high because of its cyclic rate, and you would have to be an armorer to keep it in operating order. plus, you must pay a high FED tax, jump through hoops, etc. it is very prohibitive to own a fully auto weapon.
assault rifle, a fully auto matic weapon. to be an assault rifle, it must have a selector for automatic, single and safe positions. see comment above for more.
so, after we blow the smoke and haze and mis-leading language away, what we have left is semi auto's. an action type that has been around for a century, in pistol form, shotgun form and pistol form.
this type is used for plinking, hunting, selfdefense, and long range target competition. nothing new or dangerous about it.
His words:
"I cannot in good conscience agree that that right cannot or should not be abridged in today's modern society. The United States has a professional all volunteer military and no longer a civilian militia. Therefore, I highly question the need for civilians to have the right to own and use this class of weapons. Show me why you need that right." -------
My words:
If it bothers your conscience, fine. i support you not owning a gun. in fact that might be best for all.
the military has nothing to do with the 2ndA other than to defend it along with the rest of the constitution. your personal safety starts with you, not the 9-1-1 operator. You want me to show you? Look at your copy of the Constitution under 2ndA, you will find it their. A right is a right, not a need. As you have the right not to own, i have the right to own. needs and rights are two different things.
Read:
Makeshift militias patrol neighborhoods
In the Algiers neighborhood of New Orleans, dozens of neighbors banded together to protect their neighborhood.
"There's about 20 or 30 guys in addition to us. We know all of them and where they are," Gregg Harris said. "People armed themselves so quickly, rallying together. I think it's why [our] neighborhood survived."
Harris isn't joking about the armaments. A gun battle erupted one afternoon between armed neighbors and looters. Two of the thugs were shot.
Since then, no more looters have bothered the neighborhood. But the neighbors aren't letting their guard down. They all take their turn keeping watch.
This will, if you can open your mind out of the UN induced thought process in your mind, hopefully help to explain what the militia is to you. 32 million gun owners provide a great deterrent to all kinds of tyranny. the gov can not insure your safety. a 20 round mag out of a well practiced with rifle goes a long way in insuring that.
---------------------He no longer wants to speak with me it seems, since his last post accuses me of being an extremist and partisan, unwilling to cede any point.
My only answer to him would be : Never ever ever ever compromise your values. To do so is only appeasement and leads to the degradation of societies values.
Now, if you will excuse me, I must prepare my gear for an extended outing at my local range.